The Scoop

By Dalton Del Don

It really wouldn’t be all that crazy to consider Carlos Beltran late in the first round of drafts this year. His current ADP is 22.33, which seems low – behind inferior options like Matt Holliday, Lance Berkman and Justin Morneau. Normally I’m against recommending players on the wrong side of 30, but it’s not like Beltran is that past his prime at age 31 (he’ll turn 32 in April). Now, injuries are a concern with him, and it’s not best to target a somewhat fragile player coming off a season in which he played 161 games, but he actually enters 2009 healthier than he’s felt in years now finally over knee problems. Over the past three years, Beltran has averaged 34 homers, 22 steals, 113 RBI and 112 runs. He’s not a huge help in BA, but his K rate dropped significantly last year, and his career 88 percent stolen base rate is truly remarkable. Since he’s also extremely good defensively (his 8.5 UZR/150 last year was sixth best among center fielders), he’s one of the most underrated players in the game.

I have mixed feelings about Felix Hernandez. When he entered the league in 2005, he was probably the best prospect of my lifetime. While he certainly hasn’t been a bust since then, it’s safe to say he’s been a pretty big disappointment. His command regressed badly last season (3.59 BB/9 IP), as did his G/F ratio – his 1.68 mark was still very good, but it was at 2.67 in 2007 and 2.15 in 2006. Also, his 7.85 K/9 IP feels like a letdown with his arsenal.  Over the last three years, his WHIP has gone from 1.34 to 1.38 to 1.39. It’s easy to forget, but King Felix is still just 22 years old, so it would be a major mistake to give up on him, but his lack of progress has been frustrating. A Cy Young type season wouldn’t surprise, but he pitched worse than ever over the final two months last year (54:30 K:BB ratio in 69.2 innings), and he remains an injury risk, so don’t go assuming stardom is fast approaching.

Rick Ankiel might be a bit undervalued this year since he hit just .169 over the last two months in 2008, finishing with a modest .264 BA. However, a sports hernia was directly to blame, and this is someone who had 20 homers at the All-Star break. Remember, Ankiel has only been a full-time hitter for three years now, so there’s still room for improvement even at age 29. He does strike out too often, but the power is for real, and he’s slated to hit cleanup behind Albert Pujols in a contract-year this season. Go get him.

With Adam Jones, Nick Markakis and Felix Pie in the outfield and Cesar Izturis at shortstop, the Orioles have the makings of possibly the best defense in baseball. Baltimore has some solid young arms in the minors, but it’s too bad there aren’t any major league options for fantasy leaguers to take advantage of. Don’t be surprised come midseason when writers are throwing up their arms about how hurlers like Jeremy Guthrie have much better numbers than their peripherals suggest they should.

Jose Reyes vs. Hanley Ramirez is much closer than most realize, as Ramirez almost always goes first in drafts. He’s the superior real life player, obviously, but there’s real risk his SB totals start dropping dramatically, especially since he’s slated to move to the three-hole. Thirty steals are still likely, but Reyes has averaged 64.5 swipes over the past four seasons. He hits in the superior lineup and also has 20-homer pop. You can’t go wrong either way, and incredibly, both are just 25 years old.

In this article written by a reporter from the “Cleveland Plain Dealer,” Tony Grossi, a beat writer for the Browns, talks about a rumored trade of Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers for Jay Cutler and a third round pick. Now, this trade isn’t going to happen, but what struck me was that Grossi claims in that scenario the Browns get “shortchanged,” even referring to Cutler as “kind of an upgraded version of Derek Anderson.” Yeah, kind of. One’s a potential Hall of Famer and one of the five most valuable properties in football. The other sucks. I realize Rogers is a good player, but he wants out anyway after Eric Mangini has alienated him to no end. (By the way, it’s become abundantly clear Mangini doesn’t have what it takes to run a football team). The fact Denver would have to add a third rounder in this fictitious deal makes it even more laughable. And people wonder why newspapers are deader than Elvis.

This is a few days old, but worth mentioning. Very cool article written by Dave Cameron over at FanGraphs. Research shows there’s a significant difference between home and road BABIP – just another tool that could prove useful. It also makes plenty of sense. Not only would fielders have a distinct advantage playing on their home turf, but hitters are likely to perform better under their more familiar conditions as well.


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25 responses to “The Scoop”

  1. Dreamweapon Avatar
    Dreamweapon

    Beltran is fine and all, I’d definitely opt for him ahead of Berkman and Morneau if only for the promise of five-tool production, although I wouldn’t take him ahead of Holliday or a guy like Upton. I know you’re totally down on Holliday, and I know I’m beating a dead horse, but this guy is a fantasy MVP-level player, I’ve convinced myself he’s going to be fine after the league adjustment. A couple of things:

    1. Baseball Reference’s stadium neutral stats for Holliday: .312/101R/29HRs/98RBI/16SB. That’s pretty damn good no matter who you stack it.

    2. It’s been brought to my attention that Jeff Fletcher has a theory that because the ball moves less in the thinner air of Denver, Colorado batters get used to seeing breaking balls with scant movement on them.* It’s an advantage vis-a-vis other teams’ batters at Coors, but a disadvantage when they hit the road and the ball breaks normally. The longer they are on the road, the more used they get to seeing normal breaks and the better they hit. Holliday’s career numbers appear to back this up in spades. Here are his career road AVG and SLG figures:

    First 2 games of a trip: .277 BA/.472 SLG
    3rd game on: .281/.446
    4th game on: .281/.458
    5th game on: .291/.483
    6th game on: .305/.522
    7th game on: .321/.567
    8th game on: .356/.683

    Now that is what I would call a noteworthy trend. Call it a fluke if you will, I guess, but the evidence is solid, even compelling. The longer Holliday is away from Coors, the better he hits.

    I think people are being entirely too quick to sound Holliday’s death knell as an elite Rd1-type performer. He’ll inevitably suffer some from unfamiliarity with AL pitchers, and he’ll take some kind of hit post-Coors, but I suspect it’ll be a lot smaller than most people are forecasting. Additionally, if you are in a H2H league, you could actually look at the move as good news in a way, in that perhaps his radical splits will be resolved and he could perform at a high level uniformly, both at home and on the road, meaning his owners won’t be taking it up the arse for entire weeks.

    Basically, I’m of the opinion that there are going to be a bunch of league champions this year who had Holliday fall into their laps in the 3rd round or later.

    *http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/01/the-great-matt-holliday-experiment/

  2. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Even as someone down on Holliday, I already brought this exact topic up here Dreamweapon!!

    http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2009/02/23/outfield-rankings-2/#comments

    It’s in the comments section. Disappointed you didn’t read that.

    Anyway, that’s some pretty compelling evidence. Again, I’m not saying Holliday can’t be a very valuable fantasy property this year, but I would take Beltran over him. If you want to make a bet who has the better fantasy season this year, I’m all ears.

  3. Walter Weiss Avatar
    Walter Weiss

    I’m as big a Derek Anderson fan as anybody, but potential Hall of Famer? I don’t know about that.

  4. Dreamweapon Avatar
    Dreamweapon

    No, I didn’t see it, cool beans.

    Yes, I would take that bet–what would be the determining factor(s)? I would suggest using the Player Rater in ESPN.com set for the standard five categories, it’s the best way I know of to quantify FBL performance. As far as stakes, let’s keep it reasonable and gentlemanly. How about if Holliday scores higher on the Player Rater, you get me Pavement’s Wowee Zowee Sordid Sentinels Edition (http://www.amazon.com/Wowee-Zowee-Sordid-Sentinels-Pavement/dp/B000IOMXXA), and if Beltran wins, I get you some similarly priced CD you want?

  5. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Ha ha, well played Walter Weiss. I see what you did there. And what’s up with the more formal Walter? I thought we were on a Walt basis?

  6. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Sounds good Dreamweapon. Consider it a bet. (I’m not familiar with ESPN’s player rater, but if you think it’s legit, I’m OK with that. Normally when I bet someone on “who has the better fantasy season,” we just judge at the end in a friendly manner. And if it’s close and debatable, just call it a tie).

  7. Dreamweapon Avatar
    Dreamweapon

    OK, sounds good! Looks like I’m gonna have to break out my Beltran voodoo doll early this season, hopefully we can get him down to 120 games or so and wrap this thing up before it gets started, hehehe. [g]

  8. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    I guess one aspect where I can still lose this bet yet also be right is if Beltran is def. better yet misses 20 games. In fantasy, if you add the replacement level player, I’d still be right Beltran was more valuable, yet I’d lose the bet. Oh well, I accept.

  9. TylerDurden Avatar
    TylerDurden

    Unintentionally funniest think you have ever written: “one’s a potential Hall of Famer”

    Never thought that before, which says a lot as I have been reading this column for a long, long time, but no 25-year old kid with a 37-37 record after 3 NFL seasons that has never played a playof game is ‘a potential HOFer.’

    Were you joking? Please tell me you were. Make fun of the Cleveland Plain Dealer all you want, but, dude, you are bette than this.

    Just saying.

  10. Dreamweapon Avatar
    Dreamweapon

    Well, they say staying healthy is a skill, right? Otherwise Howie Kendrick would be a meaningful FBL asset, possibly a top-5 2B, rather than a ready-made joke. Beltran’s been solid though, he’s a good player and did play a full sked last year. Even when he misses 20 he still performs at a high level (except for ’05). It’ll be close, I can’t see one of them running away from the other.

  11. The Jewru Avatar
    The Jewru

    Weapon I will bet you $100 that Beltran is the superior fantasy option to Holliday this year. We can leave it to Dalton to make the determination.
    I typed this before I saw that DDD made the same offer. Dream you are nuts. BELTRAN RULES. LETS GO METS.

  12. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Tyler Durden – Who cares what Cutler’s record is. He plays in the NFL. Not the NBA.
    Joe Montana’s first 33 starts: 52:32 TD:INT ratio, 7.1 YPA, 61 sacks.

    Cutler’s first 37 starts: 54:37 TD:INT ratio, 7.4 YPA, 51 sacks.

    Cutler has also ran for more than 100 more yards and fumbled three fewer times.

    Montana was just the first person I looked up – I’m too lazy to do more, and he’s widely considered one of the best QBs (if not the best) ever so I just wanted to compare them at similar stages of their careers.

    Obviously, Cutler may not make the Hall of Fame, but he’s clearly had one of the most impressive starts to a career ever. No, I was not joking. In fact, I stand by that comment more than any I made in this article. The Cleveland Plain Dealer’s comment was an absolute joke.

  13. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Dreamweapon – Staying healthy is a skill. No doubt. But Beltran isn’t in the Kendrick area of injury-proneness. And my point was this – if 20 fewer games of Beltran + a league average replacement player outperforms Holliday, then Beltran is more valuable and should be drafted higher.

  14. Dreamweapon Avatar
    Dreamweapon

    No, I wasn’t suggesting as much, like I said he’s been reasonably healthy, and even when he misses games he still generally has very productive years.

    I understand the argument as far as “plus replacement player”. It’s smart for building a team (e.g. better to have 4 mos. of Wieters and 2 of, say, AJ Pierzynski than 6 mos. of Posada) but I can’t see it working for bets as to individual player performance. How long does an injury have to be before the fill-in guy’s stats counted? Is a DL stint required? Who was the replacement player? What sort of league would this theoretic replacement guy be in? A 10-team league with 3 OF positions? A 14-team with 5? What is the standard? Would you simply be playing “my OF1 position, assuming Beltran is the top option, vs. yours, assuming Holliday is the lead”? It just doesn’t seem workable, and kind of defeats the spirit of the wager.

    Anyway, on another subject Cutler is a great young QB and I think it’s far more acceptable to project him as a future HoFer than it is to project Brady Quinn as being some kind of franchise cornerstone, as the paper apparently suggested. Several QBs from every generation make the Hall. It’s just the way it is, it’s the highest profile position and is accorded a disproportionate amount of attention. Dawson, Griese, Jurgensen, Namath, Starr, Staubach, Tarkenton and Unitas were all in the league together at the same time, they’re all in. Marino, Montana, Moon, Young, Elway, Aikman and Kelly are all in together. Favre’s on the way. Aikman and Kelly? Cutler’s probably already a better pro QB than either of those guys ever were. Both were system products who benefited greatly from awesome teammates. The signature Bills’ QB performance of the Kelly era was put up by Frank freakin’ Reich. Christ, Aikman debuted at 1-15. Cutler’s resume so far is looking just fine by comparison. Inevitably, several guys now playing are going to make it, and it’s going to have to be more than just Brady and Manning (and possibly Brees). Don’t see anyone from the 25-and-under class with a better shot than Cutler, provided he keeps on his current trajectory, unless it’s possibly Ryan, whose track record makes Cutler’s look monumental. There’ll be others, who knows who, but I really doubt one of them is Quinn, which is kind of the point.

  15. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    I agree the injury replacement totally defeats the spirit of the wager. That’s why I’m not including it. Just saying it’s another factor to consider outside the bet – in regards to my original point.

    Well said about Cutler. Ryan is a definite option, although it will be interesting to see how he reacts once more game film is on him. Romo and Rivers too – but they are older.

  16.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    My point is the NFL HOF is the NFL HOF. Elway wasn’t cosidered a potential HOFer after all he did until he won a Super Bowl. Big Ben is a potential HOFer because he won 2 Super Bowls and he might not make make the HOF when all is said and done.

    Kurt Warner was bagging groceries until the age 27 (I exaggettae the tale) and now is a “potential” HOFer after 2 MVPs, 3 SB appearances and one SB victory.

    Potential. And people argue that to no end.

    Cutler is good, but potentila HOFer is crazy hyperbole. Just surprised me is all.

    And I have to say Anderson & Rogers is a lot for Cutler. I’d give Anderson and a 2 or a 3. That’s it.

    Talk to me in five to ten years, let’s see what the Cutler kid has done by then. Until then, he is as much a potential bust as he is a potential HOFer.

  17. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    I can appreciate the notion calling any player who’s been in the league just three years a potential HoFamer hyperbole.

  18. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Although I will say I’m not big on D. Anderson at all. Not even a little bit.

  19. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Or Quinn.

  20. Donald Trump Avatar
    Donald Trump

    I did read the comments to the OF ratings, and the coments on holiday getting better the further he is from coors, but man, when you line up those stats like that, my view on him has definitely changed. Thanks for the link Dreamweapon.

  21. Donald Trump Avatar
    Donald Trump

    It seems like people are disrespecting king felix. dude is only 22. sure, seattle stinks, but the king is nasty, and did we mention his age yet? not a single person mentioned him in the previous 20 comments. Disrespect.

  22. Keith Avatar
    Keith

    I think Beltran vs. Holliday will be close. I tried trading for Holliday pitching the Colorado vs. Oakland thing – and saying I just wanted him since I’m an A’s fan, but wasn’t so lucky. I did however end up landing Beltran, and since my league counts BB’s as well, I think he’s very close to a 1st-round player. My main concern with Beltran is health, because he does lose a lot of value if he’s not running, and the types of injuries that keep you from running aren’t always the kind that send you to the DL, so you can’t always use + replacement level theory.

    I’m still rolling with The King in both my keeper leagues. I did feel better about him prior to some of the supporting stats taking a turn for the worse, but I just think back to some of the games I’ve seen him pitch against the A’s and how unhittable he looks, or the game against the Red Sox where he struck out 12 and let all of two balls out of the infield or something obscene like that. I’m holding the faith.

    I’m pretty high on Brett Myers for this year, but your SP rankings aren’t. I’m just curious why that is.

  23. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Donald – I agree those stats are eye-opening regarding Holliday. So crazy Felix is still that young.

  24. RotoScoop Avatar
    RotoScoop

    Keith – I remember that Felix game against Boston. I think it was on ESPN, and their radar gun had him throwing like 98 mph split fingers.

    Anyway, regarding Myers – maybe I did have him too low in my rankings. He was unlucky the first half last year, and he was legit afterward. I do think he’ll remain homer-prone, and his dip in velocity is of some concern, but he’s entering a contract year and showed up in terrific shape (make of that what you will).

    Here’s a good article stating his case:

    http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/the-double-unlucky-pitching-staff/

    Bottom line – I had him too low. Maybe it was bias b/c he burnt me last year. I was high on him entering 2008.

  25. Kritter Avatar
    Kritter

    3D, let me know when u set the league up, EMail me at BK77RLS@yahoo.com, thanks a bunch…

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