Starting Pitcher Rankings

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17 responses to “Starting Pitcher Rankings”

1. 

   Donald Trump

   February 25, 2009

   Great stuff.
   I have been thinking about lincecum. Nasty stuff. Not sure if the wins can hold up, and his abuse last year (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=453275) was the worst in the majors since livan hernandez in 2005. Still, I am more willing to consider it. He is just so dominating. But I am not yet convinced I want to go down that road in my personal draft.

   I love me some beckett as much as anyone, but his trouble at fenway is disconcerting. Even in 2007, he had an era above 4 at home.

   I refuse, refuse, to accept your ranking of randy johnson above dice. Dice has health and will surely get closer to 200k than rj. Yeah, I know he should have had like a 4.5 era last year, and yeah, i recognize how rj finished last year, but cmon, he is dice.

   Why do you absolutely hate ubaldo jimenez? OK, so clay over him is a mistake, but still, no love at all?

   Oliver perez. I dont know, I might be a glutton for punishment, and since I have never had him on my team before I am not scarred, but I kinda like him this year. It did take rj about 6 years to get any sort of control.

   Can you expand on your thoughts about d price?

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   Donald Trump

   February 25, 2009

   Any concerns about the infield defense behind lincecum?

3. 

   Nat

   February 25, 2009

   Take THAT Joe Saunders!

   Nice. There’s Lincecum, and then there’s everybody else. It’s not too soon to give the freak his due. Especially when Santana seems changed. After the abuse last year, if he makes 30 starts this year, he’ll live up to his nickname.

   Haren is my number 1 target this year. Great, great value.

   E. Santana is too low. I’d take him over Hamels.

   I second the Daisuke support. He was absurdly lucky last year, but the guy is still so hard to hit. Watching him pitch out of jams is as impressive as watching him pitch into them is frustrating. I expect a decrease in luck, but an improvement in performance. That’s entirely on gut though.

   Price seems too high for this year. What are you expecting from this guy? I’m not expecting a breakout or heavy innings yet.

   No Brad Penny? Surely he’ll provide more value than Sean Marshall, if healthy…

   If Clay Buchholz can regain form, he’ll be in your third tier next year. How did a Sox prospect with a mid 8 k/9 and a no hitter under his belt become so under-appreciated?

4. 

   RotoScoop

   February 25, 2009

   Donald – I hear ya regarding Lincecum. Funny to see Matt Cain No. 5 on the abuse list as well. Got to love Bochy. Definitely a risk. But looking deeper into Santana’s decline last season, I see Lincecum as clearly the No. 1 SP.

   Beckett’s peripherals remain strong at Fenway, so while it’s definitely a hard place to pitch, I expect his ERA to drop there this season.

   I won’t defend my RJ over Dice K ranking too hard. There’s definite risk with a 45-year-old. And Dice-K’s strikeout rate is strong. Big upside if he improves his command. However, his command has been so bad, if he doesn’t improve it, a big jump in ERA is likely. RJ’s WHIP could be massively better.

   I don’t hate Jimenez! Big K totals over the final two months last season. I could see bumping him to the top of that tier.

   I might have had D. Price a bit too high in hindsight. He seems readier than most at his age, but his stuff is very good, not exceptional. And he pitches in the toughest division in baseball. Then again, he might have the best defense in baseball playing behind him. I’d expect 175 innings, a strong K rate but his WHIP might be 1.30-plus.

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   RotoScoop

   February 25, 2009

   Plenty of concerns about SF’s infield defense, which might be worse than horrible, especially the left side. If Rowand bounces back, at least the OF D should be very solid. Still, that’s a definite concern. Renteria and Sandoval should be ugly.

6. 

   RotoScoop

   February 25, 2009

   Nat – I like Haren as well. Although he’d be the first SP Beane let go who didn’t eventually break down (actually, Harang has held up well).

   I have no problem with your E. Santana love. I assume I have him higher than most. Although he did throw a bunch of sliders last year, so he’s a health risk.

   Again, my Price ranking may be too optimistic, but he has more upside than a Derek Lowe type.

   Penny hasn’t been very good for a while now, and he moves from the game’s easiest division to the toughest (ballpark switch equally as bad). Maybe he’ll bounce back now healthy, but it’s not like surgery corrected the problem. Plus, with Wakefield, Buchholz and Smoltz in the mix, there’s a lot of competition for a rotation spot.

7. 

   TylerDurden

   February 25, 2009

   At a glance:
   I think thta’s low for Parra and Kuroda. I think it’s trendy this preseason to rank Saunders low (= value). I think that’s too high for Carpenter, Randy Johnson and Chris Young.

   After the 2009 season, I think we’ll be shocked at how low we ranked Grienke, Slowey, Baker, Parra, Weaver & Zambrano. And on the high end: Joba, Felix, Nolasco and maybe Peavy if he stays w/ SD.

   Just my opinion and gut feelings.

8. 

   RotoScoop

   February 25, 2009

   You think Saunders is too low? And you like Zambrano?

9. 

   TylerDurden

   February 25, 2009

   These are preseason rankings. They on paper rankings. Yes, I think after season we will look back and laugh at how we ranked guys — don’t we always?

   Would you really want Carpenter over Z or Saunders? Not me. But that’s just me.

10. 

    RotoScoop

    February 25, 2009

    Oh no doubt things will look way different when it’s all said and done. That’s inevitable with all preseason rankings. I was just curious your thoughts on Saunders and Zambrano. I’m specifically avoiding both of them.

11. 

    TylerDurden

    February 25, 2009

    I am not aiming to have them on teams, but if/when someone is ignored to the point of names such as Carpenter or Guthrie or Buehrle going off board before them, well then I am taking Z and/or Saunders.

12. 

    Stefan

    February 25, 2009

    That’s a pretty generous ranking for Josh Beckett, in my mind. His K/9IP remains solid, but he somehow seems more hittable. I think I remember watching a few of his games last year and he was sitting in the low low 90’s, ala Kenny Powers. Great show!

13. 

    RotoScoop

    February 25, 2009

    It’s certainly more generous than any other ranking list, I’m sure. I love Beckett. I’ll let you pick any other pitcher (other than Haren) who I listed below him, and we can bet who has the better fantasy season. E-mail me backstage if interested.

    Kenny Powers!

14. 

    Mark

    February 25, 2009

    Awww… Wellemeyer doesnt get any love?

15. 

    RotoScoop

    February 25, 2009

    At the last second, I switched out Wellemeyer for S. Marshall – meaning he was close to making the list and would be my No. 71. He had a .273 BABIP last season (although St. Louis does have a good defense), and I worry about his health moving forward. Still, I do think he’s a decent pitcher, and I can understand someone thinking he belongs in that final tier.

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