Comments on: Quarterback Rankings http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/ The Scoop on Fantasy Sports Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:29:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11785 RotoScoop Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:58:18 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-11785 I like your team a lot. First off, I'm pretty high on Big Ben. He hasn't put up huge numbers in the past b/c of lack of opportunity - per play, he's one if not the most productive QBs in the league - and now with Cowher gone, and an emerging Santonio Holmes at his disposal, I expect a big year out of him, as hopefully the cob webs are gone from last year's concussions. I easily would have taken Jacobs over those other backs, and S. Smith is value that late. Obviously, I love the Peterson pick (he went 15th overall in a league I was in last night). I think I'd consider that Bulger deal tho. Especially since you can start 2 QBs. I'm actually not all that high on DeAngelo anymore - should be a true committee and there's no way he's getting goal-line carries regardless. You'd still have some depth with Porter and Mark Clayton too. I'd make that move. I think Watson will put up fine TE1 stats, and I always seem to grab Gostkowski in the final round too. Looks like someone swooped Michael Turner from you, but he's now out multiple weeks with a high ankle sprain. I would be shocked if your not in contention till the end. I like your team a lot. First off, I’m pretty high on Big Ben. He hasn’t put up huge numbers in the past b/c of lack of opportunity – per play, he’s one if not the most productive QBs in the league – and now with Cowher gone, and an emerging Santonio Holmes at his disposal, I expect a big year out of him, as hopefully the cob webs are gone from last year’s concussions. I easily would have taken Jacobs over those other backs, and S. Smith is value that late. Obviously, I love the Peterson pick (he went 15th overall in a league I was in last night).

I think I’d consider that Bulger deal tho. Especially since you can start 2 QBs. I’m actually not all that high on DeAngelo anymore – should be a true committee and there’s no way he’s getting goal-line carries regardless. You’d still have some depth with Porter and Mark Clayton too. I’d make that move.

I think Watson will put up fine TE1 stats, and I always seem to grab Gostkowski in the final round too. Looks like someone swooped Michael Turner from you, but he’s now out multiple weeks with a high ankle sprain. I would be shocked if your not in contention till the end.

]]> By: Dreamweapon http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-11766 Dreamweapon Sun, 26 Aug 2007 14:51:17 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-11766 Triple-D--don't know if you're still reading this thread but I don't want to clutter up a newer one for you so I'll post here just in case. Well, we had our draft last night and the QB run began early, so I didn't even end up with a shot at Palmer, both he AND Brady were gone before I came up at the end of the 2nd. I wasn't going to waste that or R3-1 on a McNabb or Brees or Bulger, they are all too injury-prone for my liking, so I passed. Of course, those guys all went before I came up again at the end of R4, as did Hasselbeck even, so I had to pass on QB yet again. To compound my predicament, my cousin's husband then shockingly took Cutler in the meanwhile before I came up at the end of 6. By now I was freaking out a bit because we were really getting down to the dregs. I ended up with Roethlisberger as the first pick of the 7th, there was practically nothing left apart from him as far as QBs (Favre, Leftwich, etc.) So, here is what happened: QB: Ben Roethlisberger (7) RB: LaDainian Tomlinson (1) RB/WR: Brandon Jacobs (3) WR: Steve Smith (2) WR: Anquan Boldin (4) TE: Ben Watson (10) OP: Adrian Peterson (5) D/ST: Philadelphia Eagles (15) K: Stephen Gostkowski (Mr. Irrelevant) Bench: DeAngelo Williams (6), DeShaun Foster (8), Mark Clayton (9), Jerry Porter (11), the Other Adran Peterson (12), Jason Campbell (13), Damon Huard (14) I was totally distracted when I ended up with Porter, I meant to take Ronald Curry. ARGH. Oh well, hopefully he never plays, regardless. I had hoped for a little better than Jacobs as a 2nd, and I hate taking a WR in R2, but they were already moving as well and Smith was left at 24 so I almost felt I had to take him, and Jacobs...well.....it was him or Portis or Thomas Jones, and only one of those guys is healthy. I hate to take your time, but any thoughts? Any moves I should contemplate immediately? One team got Bulger and Hasselbeck and we had some preliminary discussions, it's possible I could acquire Bulger in exchange for the two Carolina backs, which wouldn't be all bad for me b/c it would allow me to start him and choose b/t Ben, AD or Jacobs to play the OP and RB/WR slots.... Triple-D–don’t know if you’re still reading this thread but I don’t want to clutter up a newer one for you so I’ll post here just in case.

Well, we had our draft last night and the QB run began early, so I didn’t even end up with a shot at Palmer, both he AND Brady were gone before I came up at the end of the 2nd. I wasn’t going to waste that or R3-1 on a McNabb or Brees or Bulger, they are all too injury-prone for my liking, so I passed. Of course, those guys all went before I came up again at the end of R4, as did Hasselbeck even, so I had to pass on QB yet again. To compound my predicament, my cousin’s husband then shockingly took Cutler in the meanwhile before I came up at the end of 6. By now I was freaking out a bit because we were really getting down to the dregs. I ended up with Roethlisberger as the first pick of the 7th, there was practically nothing left apart from him as far as QBs (Favre, Leftwich, etc.)

So, here is what happened:

QB: Ben Roethlisberger (7)
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson (1)
RB/WR: Brandon Jacobs (3)
WR: Steve Smith (2)
WR: Anquan Boldin (4)
TE: Ben Watson (10)
OP: Adrian Peterson (5)
D/ST: Philadelphia Eagles (15)
K: Stephen Gostkowski (Mr. Irrelevant)

Bench: DeAngelo Williams (6), DeShaun Foster (8), Mark Clayton (9), Jerry Porter (11), the Other Adran Peterson (12), Jason Campbell (13), Damon Huard (14)

I was totally distracted when I ended up with Porter, I meant to take Ronald Curry. ARGH. Oh well, hopefully he never plays, regardless. I had hoped for a little better than Jacobs as a 2nd, and I hate taking a WR in R2, but they were already moving as well and Smith was left at 24 so I almost felt I had to take him, and Jacobs…well…..it was him or Portis or Thomas Jones, and only one of those guys is healthy. I hate to take your time, but any thoughts? Any moves I should contemplate immediately? One team got Bulger and Hasselbeck and we had some preliminary discussions, it’s possible I could acquire Bulger in exchange for the two Carolina backs, which wouldn’t be all bad for me b/c it would allow me to start him and choose b/t Ben, AD or Jacobs to play the OP and RB/WR slots….

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10979 RotoScoop Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:47:40 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10979 In our draft, a huge QB run went in b/w my pick, and I ended up with Cutler as my No. 1 guy. I also backed him up with Leinart - while not ideal, I'm OK with the combo. Cutler threw multiple TDs in four of his five starts last year - as a rookie. In our draft, a huge QB run went in b/w my pick, and I ended up with Cutler as my No. 1 guy. I also backed him up with Leinart – while not ideal, I’m OK with the combo. Cutler threw multiple TDs in four of his five starts last year – as a rookie.

]]> By: Dreamweapon http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10971 Dreamweapon Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:16:56 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10971 Thank you! I think I will definitely go according to that plan than--with any luck, I can back LT2 up with Palmer and a solid RB2 on the backswing and grab Peterson and a WR1 at the 4/5. Fingers crossed! PS: I totally agree on Cutler as well, and greatly suspect that, even with the run, people may be asleep on him. I'm targeting him with the first pick of the 7th in our format. Thank you! I think I will definitely go according to that plan than–with any luck, I can back LT2 up with Palmer and a solid RB2 on the backswing and grab Peterson and a WR1 at the 4/5. Fingers crossed!

PS: I totally agree on Cutler as well, and greatly suspect that, even with the run, people may be asleep on him. I’m targeting him with the first pick of the 7th in our format.

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10950 RotoScoop Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:48:42 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10950 DB - Thanks for the kind words. Good point about Young and only getting a couple short-yardage TDs last year. I expect more this season, but the numbers show he relied on Vick-like outside the red zone scores last year as well. And we're always here to help, so feel free to keep asking away during the season. DB – Thanks for the kind words. Good point about Young and only getting a couple short-yardage TDs last year. I expect more this season, but the numbers show he relied on Vick-like outside the red zone scores last year as well. And we’re always here to help, so feel free to keep asking away during the season.

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10949 RotoScoop Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:45:20 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10949 Dreamweapon - This brings up an excellent point and one I've been meaning to touch on. The whole waiting on QBs strategy I preach is totally dependent on league-specifics. It's not just scoring, it's also the way leagues typically draft. For instance, if someone's league drafted 15 QBs in the first 20 picks, it would stand to reason that the QB position would become much more important to draft early. I think it's fine waiting on the position b/c guys I like (Big Ben, Cutler, etc) can usually be drafted rounds 8-12. If that isn't the case, then I'd change my strategy and be sure to take one earlier so I'm not stuck with Jason Campbell. So basically, I'm agreeing with you. Since your league allows 2 QBs and the position is drafted more aggressively than the typical one, then it's totally fine to do the same. Palmer at the end of the 2nd/beginning of the 3rd is perfectly fine. Especially if you think Peterson may fall back to you at 4/5, which would be ideal. And plus, like you mentioned, Palmer is such a surer bet than say a rookie back who may share some of the load like Lynch. In your specific case, go Palmer. Dreamweapon – This brings up an excellent point and one I’ve been meaning to touch on. The whole waiting on QBs strategy I preach is totally dependent on league-specifics. It’s not just scoring, it’s also the way leagues typically draft. For instance, if someone’s league drafted 15 QBs in the first 20 picks, it would stand to reason that the QB position would become much more important to draft early. I think it’s fine waiting on the position b/c guys I like (Big Ben, Cutler, etc) can usually be drafted rounds 8-12. If that isn’t the case, then I’d change my strategy and be sure to take one earlier so I’m not stuck with Jason Campbell.

So basically, I’m agreeing with you. Since your league allows 2 QBs and the position is drafted more aggressively than the typical one, then it’s totally fine to do the same. Palmer at the end of the 2nd/beginning of the 3rd is perfectly fine. Especially if you think Peterson may fall back to you at 4/5, which would be ideal. And plus, like you mentioned, Palmer is such a surer bet than say a rookie back who may share some of the load like Lynch. In your specific case, go Palmer.

]]> By: db http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10943 db Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:05:40 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10943 RS, Thanks for your response. I appreciate your thoughts and counter-arguments on Vince. I have moved him back up slightly in my rankings, though I'm not sure it's enough for me to really target him. I'm thinking somebody in my league will like him more than I will. I think your arguments about their team D and wr's helped a lot. They're going to be behind and passing, and somebody's going to catch the ball. I went back though and checked his game logs from last year and looked at all his rushing TDs. He only had 2 of the 1 or 2 yard variety. The rest were all 19,20 yards out or more. So, while his size helps, they haven't necessarily used him tons in that role so far. Could be I'm just overthinking all this. Vince is definitely an amazing talent and as I already mentioned, he helped me win a title last year after Donovan went down...you'd think I'd show the guy a little love and be grateful. :) What I especially appreciate though is your guys willingness to answer questions and be so available on this site. That's why I keep coming... Thanks, db RS,
Thanks for your response. I appreciate your thoughts and counter-arguments on Vince. I have moved him back up slightly in my rankings, though I’m not sure it’s enough for me to really target him. I’m thinking somebody in my league will like him more than I will. I think your arguments about their team D and wr’s helped a lot. They’re going to be behind and passing, and somebody’s going to catch the ball. I went back though and checked his game logs from last year and looked at all his rushing TDs. He only had 2 of the 1 or 2 yard variety. The rest were all 19,20 yards out or more. So, while his size helps, they haven’t necessarily used him tons in that role so far.

Could be I’m just overthinking all this. Vince is definitely an amazing talent and as I already mentioned, he helped me win a title last year after Donovan went down…you’d think I’d show the guy a little love and be grateful. :)

What I especially appreciate though is your guys willingness to answer questions and be so available on this site. That’s why I keep coming…

Thanks,
db

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10929 RotoScoop Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:17:41 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10929 Dreamweapon - I was out of the house almost all day today and am beat. I'll get you a good response tomorrow though. Dreamweapon – I was out of the house almost all day today and am beat. I’ll get you a good response tomorrow though.

]]> By: Dreamweapon http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10881 Dreamweapon Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:20:53 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10881 Triple-D, I know this is kind of hard for you to answer without knowing the specifics of my league, but essentially, we have an OP slot so people can, if they want, run 2 QBs. Many--at least half--do so, even though passing TDs are only 4 points and you only get a point per 25 yards instead of per 20. Accordingly, there is a MASSIVE run on QBs beginning in the late 2nd/early 3rd round and extending into the 5th/6th rounds, at least that has been the case historically. If you wait until then, or after that point, you basically end up with Byron Leftwich or Chad Pennington. I myself use the OP for a 3rd running back, typically, so I really only need one stud QB. For much the same reasons you do, I love Palmer this year. Miraculously, I ended up with the top overall pick, so I get to start with Tomlinson, which is like starting a 100 yd dash at the 20 yd mark. I am certain I can get a reasonable RB2 on the backswing, but if the QB run hasn't started and only Manning and Brady are gone, there might only be dregs left (Lynch, Williams.....Peterson?). I'm ok with taking one of those guys, but I hate the thought of having to take, say, Portis and Cadillac Williams as my 2nd/3rd backs when Carson Palmer is just hanging out there, and I know for a fact there is no chance he, or even Brees or Bulger or Hasselbeck (or probably even Young) make it to me in R4. There is, however, a chance that Lynch or Peterson could. Under this scenario, I am not best off taking Palmer at the end of R2/beginning of R3? Assuming there is one other decent back, I'd take him as well, otherwise I would grab a top-tier WR. I dunno....I know I can get starting QBs later on, but man, they will suck. I waited until R9 last year and got, you guessed it, Vick. That was complete luck, and obviously lightning can't strike twice this year. I mean, if I get to the end of 2 and Ronnie Brown and Benson are there, sure, I forgo the QB and load up. But apart from that, if I'm looking at rookies and platoon guys, am I not better off reaching just a tad early for the guy who I feel is going to be THE best fantasy QB in the game this year? The Bungles' D SUCKS, they are a lock to surrender 24-28 a game on average, I think....I can see a lot of 2nd half fireworks on Palmer's part. If I'm insane, please, let me know. I MUST avenge myself and reclaim my throne this year, esp. after my baseball flame-out. Triple-D, I know this is kind of hard for you to answer without knowing the specifics of my league, but essentially, we have an OP slot so people can, if they want, run 2 QBs. Many–at least half–do so, even though passing TDs are only 4 points and you only get a point per 25 yards instead of per 20. Accordingly, there is a MASSIVE run on QBs beginning in the late 2nd/early 3rd round and extending into the 5th/6th rounds, at least that has been the case historically. If you wait until then, or after that point, you basically end up with Byron Leftwich or Chad Pennington.

I myself use the OP for a 3rd running back, typically, so I really only need one stud QB. For much the same reasons you do, I love Palmer this year. Miraculously, I ended up with the top overall pick, so I get to start with Tomlinson, which is like starting a 100 yd dash at the 20 yd mark. I am certain I can get a reasonable RB2 on the backswing, but if the QB run hasn’t started and only Manning and Brady are gone, there might only be dregs left (Lynch, Williams…..Peterson?). I’m ok with taking one of those guys, but I hate the thought of having to take, say, Portis and Cadillac Williams as my 2nd/3rd backs when Carson Palmer is just hanging out there, and I know for a fact there is no chance he, or even Brees or Bulger or Hasselbeck (or probably even Young) make it to me in R4. There is, however, a chance that Lynch or Peterson could.

Under this scenario, I am not best off taking Palmer at the end of R2/beginning of R3? Assuming there is one other decent back, I’d take him as well, otherwise I would grab a top-tier WR.

I dunno….I know I can get starting QBs later on, but man, they will suck. I waited until R9 last year and got, you guessed it, Vick. That was complete luck, and obviously lightning can’t strike twice this year. I mean, if I get to the end of 2 and Ronnie Brown and Benson are there, sure, I forgo the QB and load up. But apart from that, if I’m looking at rookies and platoon guys, am I not better off reaching just a tad early for the guy who I feel is going to be THE best fantasy QB in the game this year? The Bungles’ D SUCKS, they are a lock to surrender 24-28 a game on average, I think….I can see a lot of 2nd half fireworks on Palmer’s part. If I’m insane, please, let me know. I MUST avenge myself and reclaim my throne this year, esp. after my baseball flame-out.

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10159 RotoScoop Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:03:04 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10159 I'd target Young in the sixth round. He might typically go in rounds 7-8, so nabbing him in the 6th to be sure you get him sounds about right. Actually, he's been going higher and higher recently, and if you are worried that he'll go earlier in your specific league, grabbing him in the 5th is OK with me too. I wouldn't draft a QB higher than that tho, so if he goes before then, so be it - you should be drafting RBs and WRs early. In a 6-pt per TD pass league, he should go a couple of rounds later than what I suggested above. I’d target Young in the sixth round. He might typically go in rounds 7-8, so nabbing him in the 6th to be sure you get him sounds about right. Actually, he’s been going higher and higher recently, and if you are worried that he’ll go earlier in your specific league, grabbing him in the 5th is OK with me too. I wouldn’t draft a QB higher than that tho, so if he goes before then, so be it – you should be drafting RBs and WRs early.

In a 6-pt per TD pass league, he should go a couple of rounds later than what I suggested above.

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10158 RotoScoop Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:56:01 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10158 All good questions - yes, Young's value does decline some in 6-pt per TD pass leagues. He'll still get the boost from rushing yards, but the fact those 8-12 rushing scores count the same as regular passing TDs definitely hurts. He's only going to be an average passer, at best. The Vick argument is easy for me, just look at their physical differences in size. Vick had to score from 30-80 yards out, something unpredictable and much harder to do; whereas Young can literally plow over defenders and is Tennessee's best goal line option - the fact the Titans don't have a great RB actually INCREASES Young's fantasy value in my eyes. He'll get numerous 1-2 yard TDs, something Vick never could do. And I love the fact their defense isn't very good either, as he'll be passing play after play during the second half of most games. Also, Tenneessee's offensive line is actually underrated and good. And QBs make WRs, not vice-versa. That said, yes, it's worrisome having Brandon Jones as the No. 1 option through the air. But time and time again random wideouts come out of nowhere with big years, and he can spread it around - honestly, I think people overthink stuff like that. Trust me, there will be someone there to catch the football from him. 65 percent of his fantasy value will be through his legs anyway. I also hate the theory that Young is a boom-or-bust type fantasy option from week-to-week, b/c I think it's the opposite of truth. Think about it, he gets 30-50 rushing yards even on clunker passing weeks, so basically his floor is pretty high as well. All good questions – yes, Young’s value does decline some in 6-pt per TD pass leagues. He’ll still get the boost from rushing yards, but the fact those 8-12 rushing scores count the same as regular passing TDs definitely hurts. He’s only going to be an average passer, at best. The Vick argument is easy for me, just look at their physical differences in size. Vick had to score from 30-80 yards out, something unpredictable and much harder to do; whereas Young can literally plow over defenders and is Tennessee’s best goal line option – the fact the Titans don’t have a great RB actually INCREASES Young’s fantasy value in my eyes. He’ll get numerous 1-2 yard TDs, something Vick never could do.

And I love the fact their defense isn’t very good either, as he’ll be passing play after play during the second half of most games. Also, Tenneessee’s offensive line is actually underrated and good. And QBs make WRs, not vice-versa. That said, yes, it’s worrisome having Brandon Jones as the No. 1 option through the air. But time and time again random wideouts come out of nowhere with big years, and he can spread it around – honestly, I think people overthink stuff like that. Trust me, there will be someone there to catch the football from him. 65 percent of his fantasy value will be through his legs anyway.

I also hate the theory that Young is a boom-or-bust type fantasy option from week-to-week, b/c I think it’s the opposite of truth. Think about it, he gets 30-50 rushing yards even on clunker passing weeks, so basically his floor is pretty high as well.

]]> By: Brett http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10138 Brett Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:35:50 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10138 I had the same questions as db... in addition, what round to suggest taking vince in? How long can we wait? I had the same questions as db… in addition, what round to suggest taking vince in? How long can we wait?

]]> By: db http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/08/quarterback-rankings-2/comment-page-1/#comment-10129 db Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:52:20 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/08/17/quarterback-rankings-2/#comment-10129 Thanks for the thoughts and rankings. On Vince Young, does he slide down the rankings in a 6 point passing TD league? And what do you say to all the naysayers with their "Vick never ran for that many TDs again" and their "no team around him" arguments. I actually alternated between Vince and Cutler at the end of last year to win a championship (McNabb) and was pretty high on him this year, but I've been starting to give in to the naysayers and slide him down my rankings. Thanks for the thoughts and rankings. On Vince Young, does he slide down the rankings in a 6 point passing TD league? And what do you say to all the naysayers with their “Vick never ran for that many TDs again” and their “no team around him” arguments. I actually alternated between Vince and Cutler at the end of last year to win a championship (McNabb) and was pretty high on him this year, but I’ve been starting to give in to the naysayers and slide him down my rankings.

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