Comments on: Apples and Oranges http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/ The Scoop on Fantasy Sports Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:29:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Robby http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2191 Robby Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:51:28 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2191 Randy - I made steals twice as valuable as home runs because they are (at least) twice as rare in roto scoring. The fact that a home run contributes to runs, RBIs and average is moot, because those numbers are already factored into the player's overall stats. That said, I do agree with you that I probably overrated steals. In hindsight, I would probably lower the multiplier to 6, because steals are the most unreliable of all the stats, and also, at least in my leagues, the steal category never seems to be as hotly contested as the other categories. For example, a swing of ten steals in either direction may only allow me to pass or get passed by a total of three or four opponents, while a similar swing in home runs may constitute a swing of three or four teams as well, even though home runs are twice as plentiful. But that all ties into trading deadline strategies, which is a long way off. Long story short, I overrated steals and you underrated them. Let's compromise and call it 6. If that makes Juan Pierre more valuable than some mashers (hopefully not Howard, Berkman and Ortiz still, I'm too lazy to check) then so be it, it just means that SBs are criminally underrated in fantasy... Randy – I made steals twice as valuable as home runs because they are (at least) twice as rare in roto scoring. The fact that a home run contributes to runs, RBIs and average is moot, because those numbers are already factored into the player’s overall stats.
That said, I do agree with you that I probably overrated steals. In hindsight, I would probably lower the multiplier to 6, because steals are the most unreliable of all the stats, and also, at least in my leagues, the steal category never seems to be as hotly contested as the other categories. For example, a swing of ten steals in either direction may only allow me to pass or get passed by a total of three or four opponents, while a similar swing in home runs may constitute a swing of three or four teams as well, even though home runs are twice as plentiful. But that all ties into trading deadline strategies, which is a long way off.
Long story short, I overrated steals and you underrated them. Let’s compromise and call it 6. If that makes Juan Pierre more valuable than some mashers (hopefully not Howard, Berkman and Ortiz still, I’m too lazy to check) then so be it, it just means that SBs are criminally underrated in fantasy…

]]> By: RotoScoop http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2190 RotoScoop Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:45:36 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2190 Good points Randy. Good points Randy.

]]> By: Randy H http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2167 Randy H Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:48:04 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2167 Your multipluer for steals is way to high. When one dimensional Juan Pierre scores a higher pro rated score than Ryan Howard, Berkman, Ortiz etc that can't be right. The multiplier should be 4 , same as home runs. Then Pierres score goes from 619 to 395 which is more in reflection with the one dimensional fantasy player he is. Reyes score would come down to around 600 as well. Still a great score. When you hit a homeun thats at least 1 in three columns, R, HR, RBI, possibly more RBI if men are on base. No way steals are twice as valuable as that. I think using the same multiplier for both is more realistic in their overall scores. Just my thoughts. Your multipluer for steals is way to high. When one dimensional Juan Pierre scores a higher pro rated score than Ryan Howard, Berkman, Ortiz etc that can’t be right. The multiplier should be 4 , same as home runs. Then Pierres score goes from 619 to 395 which is more in reflection with the one dimensional fantasy player he is. Reyes score would come down to around 600 as well. Still a great score. When you hit a homeun thats at least 1 in three columns, R, HR, RBI, possibly more RBI if men are on base. No way steals are twice as valuable as that. I think using the same multiplier for both is more realistic in their overall scores. Just my thoughts.

]]> By: TV http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2080 TV Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:09:54 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2080 I think Reyes is great but I dont think he is going to put up similar or better numbers as he did last year. I think you are going to see a slight increase in power and a decrease in speed. I also question if he will make it through the entire season again. I predict a decrease in overall numbers for him. I think Reyes is great but I dont think he is going to put up similar or better numbers as he did last year. I think you are going to see a slight increase in power and a decrease in speed. I also question if he will make it through the entire season again. I predict a decrease in overall numbers for him.

]]> By: Lister http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2077 Lister Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:28:01 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2077 With the exception of injury, none of the possible causes above would affect Reyes. He is going to run. Neither Willie nor a few pick offs will stop that. He's a dynamo. With the exception of injury, none of the possible causes above would affect Reyes. He is going to run. Neither Willie nor a few pick offs will stop that. He’s a dynamo.

]]> By: Robby http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2072 Robby Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:44:38 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2072 Another factor to consider with stolen bases is that they are an extremely fickle stat. A player could get caught a couple of times and lose the green light, tweak a hammy or a coach could just change philosophies. No stat is more controlled by the player's own free will. I guess what I'm saying is that it's harder to predict SBs and therefore, should be slightly devalued from the above formula... Another factor to consider with stolen bases is that they are an extremely fickle stat. A player could get caught a couple of times and lose the green light, tweak a hammy or a coach could just change philosophies. No stat is more controlled by the player’s own free will. I guess what I’m saying is that it’s harder to predict SBs and therefore, should be slightly devalued from the above formula…

]]> By: Lister http://www.rotoscoop.com/2007/02/apples-and-oranges/comment-page-1/#comment-2069 Lister Thu, 22 Feb 2007 16:10:58 +0000 http://rotoscoop.com/blog/2007/02/21/apples-and-oranges/#comment-2069 In fairness, and I do love Reyes more than I love my moms so it's hard to be fair, but, from a scouting POV, Reyes is far less likely to meet or exceed last year's gaudy totals than Pujols is. That being said, Reyes has never had a comprehensively better offense around him than he will in 2007 (undoubtedly the #1 NL offense and it's not even close), and he seems to have shaken off the "glass player" reputation that his first two years in the league produced. As a completely partisan Mets fan, however, I am keeping my fingers crossed. Good writing, RAWB. In fairness, and I do love Reyes more than I love my moms so it’s hard to be fair, but, from a scouting POV, Reyes is far less likely to meet or exceed last year’s gaudy totals than Pujols is.

That being said, Reyes has never had a comprehensively better offense around him than he will in 2007 (undoubtedly the #1 NL offense and it’s not even close), and he seems to have shaken off the “glass player” reputation that his first two years in the league produced. As a completely partisan Mets fan, however, I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Good writing, RAWB.

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